Edmund’s Community Courier Fall 2017
Yes, it has been a long time since a Courier was last posted, but a lot has been going on and my computer, actually AOL, did eat my homework! Fortunately, they were only e-mails, but they were about a thousand e-mails that I was saving and some pertained to Chandlers. I am also replacing my failing, old computer.
The Courier has been accessed world wide and now I get e-mails from all over. I am also finding bits of our research on family trees and also on the big Family Tree at www.familysearch.org. This is a good thing except the posters often annoyingly do not post the updates and corrections that we make. We started out, and continue to be, a research group, so updates and corrections are part of the game.
I have more stories backlogged for future issues. If any of you are computer savvy, I need help posting the Courier so pictures and maps can be included.
If you have not signed up for the Courier, you can sign up on the right hand side of the page as it is getting too complicated to also send out individual e-mail notifications.
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IN THIS ISSUE
Hale news, news and queries about Maine Chandlers, a great link to an English Daily News story on research about how the English are not all English, a summary of the different kinds of DNA tests and more.
NEWS AND UPDATES
THE ENGLISH ARE NOT ALL ENGLISH!
Did you know that the English don’t DNA test as all English? That in some areas of England 45% test as French and in other areas 25% test as German? That the Welsh are the most “English?” That there is little DNA trace of Scandinavians or Romans?
In the future there may be more studies updating these findings. However, if you have participated in an autosomal DNA test, this story may help explain, or further confuse you, about your own results.
Here is the link:
Ancestry.com also has an interpretation of how English or British the English are. Here is the link:
For a short summary of the different kinds of DNA tests see the last story in this issue.
Out of the blue came an e-mail from Robyn and Paul of Australia seeking contact with our member, Angela, as Robyn shared the same ancestor, William Hale (1858-1926) as Angela. William Hale was the former Mayor of Botany, New South Wales.
For those of you who are new, we had a match between Angela’s father, an Australian with Northern Irish roots, surnamed Hale and our Y-DNA Chandler testees. That was a big surprise to all. We figure the common ancestor probably lived in the 1500s which was the century when Edmund was born.
We still don’t know if Hales were once Chandlers or vice versa centuries ago.
Angela updated me with what is going on with the Hale research. She hired genealogist in Northern Ireland who found Thomas Hale’s baptismal record in Tandragree in the Parish Church which was the Church of Ireland. The Church of Ireland is the Irish equivalent of the Church of England. Both are Protestant. He was baptized April 1, 1831. His parents were William and Euphemia Hale of Lisbane Townland. That is where the research hit a brick wall.
On the DNA front, Angela is still waiting for the results of he Full Genome Y-elite 2 test. That test is more detailed and it is done by a different company than our regular Y-DNA tests. The results should available in December. Hopefully, it will help focus in on how close Edmund was to Angela’s Hale ancestors.
ESTHER ANN CHANDLER, DAUGHTER OF FREEMAN CHANDLER
We had an inquiry from Julie about Esther Ann Chandler. Her lineage is, starting with Edmund, the immigrant:
Edmund > Joseph Chandler+Mercy > Edmund Chandler+Elizabeth Alden > Capt. John Chandler + Bethiah Rickard > Jonathan Chandler +Rebecca Packard > Ichabod Chandler+Olive Fish > Freeman Chandler+Esther Austin > Esther Ann Chandler.
Julie is searching for Esther Ann’s birth record. Esther Ann was recorded in the US 1850 census in the household of Freeman and Esther, but that might not be enough for the DAR as proof of her lineage. Julie’s goal is to have Esther Ann Chandler’s lineage recognized.
Julie has searched the big genealogy library in Allen County, Indiana, the Indiana DAR, records in Iowa and Oklahoma where Esther Ann Chandler, now Bratcher, ultimately settled to no avail.
Most of Esther Ann’s siblings’ births were recorded in Foxcroft, Maine. Esther Ann and Freeman Chandler, Jr. were also born in Maine, but no record of their birth has been found nor has the birth of youngest sibling Olive Chandler, who was born in Ohio, been found.
I found a birth date in three My Heritage family trees for Esther Ann of March 6, 1831 in Poland, Maine, but no source for the information.
It was not unusual for Foxcroft Chandlers to also be recorded in Poland, Maine as that area was were they first settled before moving to Foxcroft.
If one of you has the source, let me know!
JULIA F. CHANDLER AND NANCY CUSHING CHANDLER
We had a story in the Courier about the Bible that belonged to Julia F. Chandler a while back. The Bible is now in the possession of the CFA.
Since then I came across a letter for sale on eBay authored by Julia’s mother, Almira (Webster) Chandler which probably was once in the same collection of memorabilia as the Bible. I bid $16.04 cents and lost to an antiquarian dealer. I did get to see bits and pieces of the letter when it was for sale on eBay.
Much to my surprise as a result of the story on the Julia F. Chandler Bible, I got an e-mail from Ginny Gross, a research assistant who works for the Oshkosh Public Museum in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, who transcribed Nancy (Chandler) Derby’s diary – 309 single spaced pages! She is editing the diary and plans to send me a copy of the project in 2018 if all goes well. Many relatives are mentioned so we may be able to fill in more Maine Chandler blanks.
Nancy was Julia’s cousin. Technically, first half cousin. Their common ancestor was Rufus Chandler, but different grandmothers. In color are their common ancestors. See lineages below.
Nancy (Chandler) Derby’s lineage starting with Edmund, the immigrant is:
Edmund Chandler > Joseph Chandler+Mercy > Joseph Chandler+ Martha Hunt > Jonathan Chandler+Rachel Mitchell > Rufus Chandler+Nancy Cushing > Joel Chandler+ Eliza Stackpole > Nancy Chandler Derby.
Julia F. Chandler Allan’s lineage starting with Edmund, the immigrant is:
Edmund > Joseph Chandler+Mercy > Joseph Chandler+ Martha Hunt > Jonathan Chandler+Rachel Mitchell > Rufus Chandler+Abigail Dennison > Edward Chandler + Almira Webster > Julia Chandler
Surprisingly, Nancy mentions a letter telling the death of Capt. Edward Chandler. The news may have come from the same letter that was on eBay. Capt. Edward Chandler was a sea captain based out of New York, although his home was in Maine. According to both the diary and letter, “He died at sea, with the yellow fever”.
Nancy was born in 1830 in Freeport, Maine. Her birth was recorded in August 30, 1830 of the vital records of Phillips, Franklin County Maine and August 31, 1830 in Alexander, Washington County, Maine. In those days births were often recorded in several towns which leads to confusion today as to where that person was actually born. In the 1850 US census she was enumerated in Alexander, Washington County Maine.
According to Ginny Gross, Nancy married George Derby in Massachusetts. They moved to Oshkosh in 1854. In 1859 she and her husband moved temporarily to Sumter County Alabama where he worked for the North East and South West Railroad making bricks for the bridge trestles. They returned to Oshkosh in 1861. the diary covers 1857 to may of 1869. She probably continued to write in her diary, but those diary books are missing and probably were lost or destroyed over the years.
Nancy tells of visits by relatives including Julia’s brother, Augustine W. Chandler. He went back to Maine to get his wife and he worked in the pinery for at least a year. Lumber was a big industry in Oshkosh at that time.
Hopefully, we will have more about Nancy’s life and those of her relatives when the editing project is complete.
Our former Edmund Chandler Association treasury has finally made the move over to the Chandler Family Association where we are now Chapter 13. Bob, our former treasurer when we were the Edmund Chandler Family Association, has handed over our treasury to Helen Chandler, the treasurer of the CFA. Our money will be kept in a separate account for dedicated to research related to Edmund Chandler.
SUMMARY OF DNA TESTS
DNA tests are additional tools, often essential tools, in the genealogy toolbox, but you have to find the right tool for the right job. Below is a short summary of the tests.
Our Chandler Family Association sponsors the Y-DNA Chandler project which has over 500 participants. Go to the CFA main page and click DNA for more information about the project. It is for men only and follows the male line. Most of our Chandler testees have found matches among the many genetically different Chandler families. There is usually no fuzzy, gray area. Either you match and belong to that family or you don’t. It is an excellent tool to confirm or find your family.
There is also a Big Y-DNA test which is much more expensive and tests a different kind of marker. We do not use that test for our project. At this point, it is more for anthropological use rather genealogical and places testees on the phylogenetic family tree. It literally starts with “Adam” and moves forward in time, hopefully one day into genealogical time.
This is the test that you hear about on TV so frequently – Put away the lederhosen and bring out the kilt!
Test results are for both the male and female side of the family. It is also the least expensive DNA test. It is called Family Finder at FTDNA and AncestryDNA at Ancestry.
At this point those not familiar DNA testing are jumping out of their seats ready to sign up — genealogy made easy with one test and relatively cheap, too!
Not so fast. It really is only useful for about maybe 5 generations. Also, autosomal testing does not tell you which side of the family the match came from which is one of the reasons why it can get technical and require testing many people. It can help solve adoption and orphan mysteries, but it usually takes a lot of testing and help by experts to do that.
I met a couple of cousins through autosomal testing. One was from my Polish side who is doing extensive research in Polish records. We are still trying to figure out who the common ancestor was. The other was of New England colonial descent. We we know which ancestors we share, although more people would have to be tested to figure exactly which markers came from which ancestor. We did share pictures of our ancestors and family stories which ended up being the best part.
Then there is the part that most people get excited over – ethnicity! How much English, German, or French, etc. am I? Am I part Irish or Native American? This is what people want to know. Ancestry, FTDNA, and 23 and Me all give ethnic breakdowns.
Autosomal testing is accurate on a continental level, but not accurate for individual countries. Test accuracy may improve in the future, but it won’t change the fact that people migrated and boundaries changed over the centuries. Click the news item at the beginning of this issue for the link about the English not being all English which explains some the reasons why.
Ethnic breakdowns are a lot of fun, but should be taken with a grain of salt, maybe a pinch of salt.
I took the autosomal test at Ancestry, called AncestryDNA, and transferred a copy of the test results to FTDNA for a small fee (it may be free now) and also a copy to Gedmatch.com for free. That way I got access to three different databases and the tools at Gedmatch and FTDNA.
My ethnicity results varied widely between the different companies. For me, between Family Finder and AncestryDNA, Ancestry was closer.
Ethnic amounts can vary among siblings. Only exact twins have exact matches.
The other big surprise for many people is finding out that they are not Irish or Native American, or another ethnicity as was told in the family story. They might still have Irish or Native American ancestors, but it was far back enough so they might not have gotten any of their DNA, but the parent or sibling may have!
MITOCHONDRIAL DNA TEST
The MtDNA test test follows the mother’s line. It is more broad than the Y-DNA test for men. I will confess that I know very little about it, but it can be a useful tool in some cases following the mother’s line. Study up on it to see if it can help you.
Until next time, happy ancestor hunting!