Edmund’s Community Courier Fall 2017

Edmund’s Community Courier Fall 2017


Carol May

Yes, it has been a long time since a Courier was last posted, but a lot has been going on and my computer, actually AOL, did eat my homework! Fortunately, they were only e-mails, but they were about a thousand e-mails that I was saving and some pertained to Chandlers. I am also replacing my failing, old computer.

The Courier has been accessed world wide and now I get e-mails from all over. I am also finding bits of our research on family trees and also on the big Family Tree at www.familysearch.org. This is a good thing except the posters often annoyingly do not post the updates and corrections that we make. We started out, and continue to be, a research group, so updates and corrections are part of the game.

I have more stories backlogged for future issues. If any of you are computer savvy, I need help posting the Courier so pictures and maps can be included.

If you have not signed up for the Courier, you can sign up on the right hand side of the page as it is getting too complicated to also send out individual e-mail notifications.

If you have a change of address and are a Chandler Family Association member, make sure to contact Helen at: hchandler47@gmail.com


Hale news, news and queries about Maine Chandlers, a great link to an English Daily News story on research about how the English are not all English, a summary of the different kinds of DNA tests and more.



Did you know that the English don’t DNA test as all English? That in some areas of England 45% test as French and in other areas 25% test as German? That the Welsh are the most “English?” That there is little DNA trace of Scandinavians or Romans?

In the future there may be more studies updating these findings. However, if you have participated in an autosomal DNA test, this story may help explain, or further confuse you, about your own results.

Here is the link:


or try

English genomes share German and French DNA while Romans and Vikings left no trace | Daily Mail Online

Ancestry.com also has an interpretation of how English or British the English are. Here is the link:

The British Are Less British Than We Think – Ancestry Blog

For a short summary of the different kinds of DNA tests see the last story in this issue.


Out of the blue came an e-mail from Robyn and Paul of Australia seeking contact with our member, Angela, as Robyn shared the same ancestor, William Hale (1858-1926) as Angela. William Hale was the former Mayor of Botany, New South Wales.

For those of you who are new, we had a match between Angela’s father, an Australian with Northern Irish roots, surnamed Hale and our Y-DNA Chandler testees. That was a big surprise to all. We figure the common ancestor probably lived in the 1500s which was the century when Edmund was born.

We still don’t know if Hales were once Chandlers or vice versa centuries ago.

Angela updated me with what is going on with the Hale research. She hired genealogist in Northern Ireland who found Thomas Hale’s baptismal record in Tandragree in the Parish Church which was the Church of Ireland. The Church of Ireland is the Irish equivalent of the Church of England. Both are Protestant. He was baptized April 1, 1831. His parents were William and Euphemia Hale of Lisbane Townland. That is where the research hit a brick wall.

On the DNA front, Angela is still waiting for the results of he Full Genome Y-elite 2 test. That test is more detailed and it is done by a different company than our regular Y-DNA tests. The results should available in December. Hopefully, it will help focus in on how close Edmund was to Angela’s Hale ancestors.


We had an inquiry from Julie about Esther Ann Chandler. Her lineage is, starting with Edmund, the immigrant:

Edmund > Joseph Chandler+Mercy > Edmund Chandler+Elizabeth Alden > Capt. John Chandler + Bethiah Rickard > Jonathan Chandler +Rebecca Packard > Ichabod Chandler+Olive Fish > Freeman Chandler+Esther Austin > Esther Ann Chandler.

Julie is searching for Esther Ann’s birth record. Esther Ann was recorded in the US 1850 census in the household of Freeman and Esther, but that might not be enough for the DAR as proof of her lineage. Julie’s goal is to have Esther Ann Chandler’s lineage recognized.

Julie has searched the big genealogy library in Allen County, Indiana, the Indiana DAR, records in Iowa and Oklahoma where Esther Ann Chandler, now Bratcher, ultimately settled to no avail.

Most of Esther Ann’s siblings’ births were recorded in Foxcroft, Maine. Esther Ann and Freeman Chandler, Jr. were also born in Maine, but no record of their birth has been found nor has the birth of youngest sibling Olive Chandler, who was born in Ohio, been found.

I found a birth date in three My Heritage family trees for Esther Ann of March 6, 1831 in Poland, Maine, but no source for the information.

It was not unusual for Foxcroft Chandlers to also be recorded in Poland, Maine as that area was were they first settled before moving to Foxcroft.

If one of you has the source, let me know!


We had a story in the Courier about the Bible that belonged to Julia F. Chandler a while back. The Bible is now in the possession of the CFA.

Since then I came across a letter for sale on eBay authored by Julia’s mother, Almira (Webster) Chandler which probably was once in the same collection of memorabilia as the Bible. I bid $16.04 cents and lost to an antiquarian dealer. I did get to see bits and pieces of the letter when it was for sale on eBay.

Much to my surprise as a result of the story on the Julia F. Chandler Bible, I got an e-mail from Ginny Gross, a research assistant who works for the Oshkosh Public Museum in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, who transcribed Nancy (Chandler) Derby’s diary – 309 single spaced pages! She is editing the diary and plans to send me a copy of the project in 2018 if all goes well. Many relatives are mentioned so we may be able to fill in more Maine Chandler blanks.

Nancy was Julia’s cousin. Technically, first half cousin. Their common ancestor was Rufus Chandler, but different grandmothers. In color are their common ancestors. See lineages below.

Nancy (Chandler) Derby’s lineage starting with Edmund, the immigrant is:

Edmund Chandler > Joseph Chandler+Mercy > Joseph Chandler+ Martha Hunt > Jonathan Chandler+Rachel Mitchell > Rufus Chandler+Nancy Cushing > Joel Chandler+ Eliza Stackpole > Nancy Chandler Derby.

Julia F. Chandler Allan’s lineage starting with Edmund, the immigrant is:

Edmund > Joseph Chandler+Mercy > Joseph Chandler+ Martha Hunt > Jonathan Chandler+Rachel Mitchell > Rufus Chandler+Abigail Dennison > Edward Chandler + Almira Webster > Julia Chandler

Surprisingly, Nancy mentions a letter telling the death of Capt. Edward Chandler. The news may have come from the same letter that was on eBay. Capt. Edward Chandler was a sea captain based out of New York, although his home was in Maine. According to both the diary and letter, “He died at sea, with the yellow fever”.

Nancy was born in 1830 in Freeport, Maine. Her birth was recorded in August 30, 1830 of the vital records of Phillips, Franklin County Maine and August 31, 1830 in Alexander, Washington County, Maine. In those days births were often recorded in several towns which leads to confusion today as to where that person was actually born. In the 1850 US census she was enumerated in Alexander, Washington County Maine.

According to Ginny Gross, Nancy married George Derby in Massachusetts. They moved to Oshkosh in 1854. In 1859 she and her husband moved temporarily to Sumter County Alabama where he worked for the North East and South West Railroad making bricks for the bridge trestles. They returned to Oshkosh in 1861. the diary covers 1857 to may of 1869. She probably continued to write in her diary, but those diary books are missing and probably were lost or destroyed over the years.

Nancy tells of visits by relatives including Julia’s brother, Augustine W. Chandler. He went back to Maine to get his wife and he worked in the pinery for at least a year. Lumber was a big industry in Oshkosh at that time.

Hopefully, we will have more about Nancy’s life and those of her relatives when the editing project is complete.


Our former Edmund Chandler Association treasury has finally made the move over to the Chandler Family Association where we are now Chapter 13. Bob, our former treasurer when we were the Edmund Chandler Family Association, has handed over our treasury to Helen Chandler, the treasurer of the CFA. Our money will be kept in a separate account for dedicated to research related to Edmund Chandler.


DNA tests are additional tools, often essential tools, in the genealogy toolbox, but you have to find the right tool for the right job. Below is a short summary of the tests.


Our Chandler Family Association sponsors the Y-DNA Chandler project which has over 500 participants. Go to the CFA main page and click DNA for more information about the project. It is for men only and follows the male line. Most of our Chandler testees have found matches among the many genetically different Chandler families. There is usually no fuzzy, gray area. Either you match and belong to that family or you don’t. It is an excellent tool to confirm or find your family.

There is also a Big Y-DNA test which is much more expensive and tests a different kind of marker. We do not use that test for our project. At this point, it is more for anthropological use rather genealogical and places testees on the phylogenetic family tree. It literally starts with “Adam” and moves forward in time, hopefully one day into genealogical time.


This is the test that you hear about on TV so frequently – Put away the lederhosen and bring out the kilt!

Test results are for both the male and female side of the family. It is also the least expensive DNA test. It is called Family Finder at FTDNA and AncestryDNA at Ancestry.

At this point those not familiar DNA testing are jumping out of their seats ready to sign up — genealogy made easy with one test and relatively cheap, too!

Not so fast. It really is only useful for about maybe 5 generations. Also, autosomal testing does not tell you which side of the family the match came from which is one of the reasons why it can get technical and require testing many people. It can help solve adoption and orphan mysteries, but it usually takes a lot of testing and help by experts to do that.

I met a couple of cousins through autosomal testing. One was from my Polish side who is doing extensive research in Polish records. We are still trying to figure out who the common ancestor was. The other was of New England colonial descent. We we know which ancestors we share, although more people would have to be tested to figure exactly which markers came from which ancestor. We did share pictures of our ancestors and family stories which ended up being the best part.

Then there is the part that most people get excited over – ethnicity! How much English, German, or French, etc. am I? Am I part Irish or Native American? This is what people want to know. Ancestry, FTDNA, and 23 and Me all give ethnic breakdowns.

Autosomal testing is accurate on a continental level, but not accurate for individual countries. Test accuracy may improve in the future, but it won’t change the fact that people migrated and boundaries changed over the centuries. Click the news item at the beginning of this issue for the link about the English not being all English which explains some the reasons why.

Ethnic breakdowns are a lot of fun, but should be taken with a grain of salt, maybe a pinch of salt.

I took the autosomal test at Ancestry, called AncestryDNA, and transferred a copy of the test results to FTDNA for a small fee (it may be free now) and also a copy to Gedmatch.com for free. That way I got access to three different databases and the tools at Gedmatch and FTDNA.

My ethnicity results varied widely between the different companies. For me, between Family Finder and AncestryDNA, Ancestry was closer.

Ethnic amounts can vary among siblings. Only exact twins have exact matches.

The other big surprise for many people is finding out that they are not Irish or Native American, or another ethnicity as was told in the family story. They might still have Irish or Native American ancestors, but it was far back enough so they might not have gotten any of their DNA, but the parent or sibling may have!


The MtDNA test test follows the mother’s line. It is more broad than the Y-DNA test for men. I will confess that I know very little about it, but it can be a useful tool in some cases following the mother’s line. Study up on it to see if it can help you.

Until next time, happy ancestor hunting!


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left to right  young man sitting on the ground is Raymond Chandler (1893- 1971) man standing is Howard Chandler (1869-unknown) and the older man sitting is Alphonse Chandler (1841-1908)

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young man sitting on the ground is Raymond Chandler (1893- 1971) man standing is Howard Chandler (1869-unknown) and the older man sitting is Alphonse Chandler (1841-1908)

Happy 2017. Our member, Mike McDonough, shared this picture along with his lineage to Ichabod. If any member would like me to post their lineage information. Please send it to me along with any pictures you have. Thanks, Barb

PEASE NOTE–The information regarding Raymond Chandler I initially had written was incorrect. The correct information is below.  Thanks


Mike McDonough> Marqaret Chandler (mother)> Raymond Chandler (grandfather)>Howard Chandler (great grandfather)>Alphonse Chandler (great great grandfather)> Jarius Chandler (great great great grandfather)>Josiah Little Chandler (great great great great grandfather>Ichabod Chandler (great great great great great grandfather)


Josiah “Little” Chandler was born 18 July 1792 in Poland, Commonwealth of Massachusetts (Maine was part of Massachusetts till it became a state in 1820) to Ichabod and Olive Fish Chandler. (1) His siblings were; Elihu  Elnathan (1795-1884), Ruth (185-?), Ichabod Jr. (1786-1856), John “Fish” (1789-1826), Judith (1791-1878, Abel (1796-1881), Sylvanus (1799-1882) and, Freeman (1801-?). (2)

It is not known if Josiah and Catherine were married. According to Vermont Vital Records Catherine’s last name was Prior.(3)

Both Josiah and Catherine are listed as living in Bonus, Boone, Illinois and Union, Story, Iowa in the 1850 and 1860 census. (4)

The children born to Josiah and Catherine were; James (1815-?), Amanda (1817-?), Olive (1819-?), Josiah L. (1822-?), Sereno (1826-1898), William (1830-1900), and Jarius (1815-1862), (5)

Josiah played a large part in the history of Cambridge Iowa. An excerpt from a town hisory reads; “In 1851 a Maine man, who had spent some years as superintendent in the Lake Superior copper-mines, and afterward located in Illinois, came to Story County site prospecting. This was Josiah Chandler. He looked over the Skunk bottoms, then water covered, and selected an elevated site, which was then surrounded by water, but above high-water mark, as that on which he should settle. This is now owned by J. Lee. He went back and persuaded Sylvanus and Jairus Chandler and others with families to come with him, and work a saw-mill in the midst of the valuable timber that lined the bottoms. Within a couple years after his first arrival, a log store and inn was built by Jairus Chandler. It is not known just when Josiah and Jairus, with Mr. Alexander, secured the site of the present town as above entered, but it may have been as late as 1854. Josiah concluded he would plat a town of about square dimensions, with its streets running parallel to the river instead of in cardinal directions. He did so, and named the new town Cambridge, and, of course, the plat is like the old French surveys. The center is near the school building in the park. The plat was not recorded, however, until November, 1856, although it is Dr. Grafton’s opinion, that it was laid out probably three years before. The saw-mill, built in 1854, did a good business, with J. Batterson as sawyer, and in August, 1855, the house now used by McKee’s meat market was built on the plat. The first store was built not far from the site of Baldwin & Maxwell’s.

In the winter of 1855-56 thirty-one persons were led to the new town by Mr. Chandler, and the entire company wintered in the McKee house, with curtains for partitions. Among these were Wallace Williams, G. A. Macy (a blacksmith), Isaac Mitchell, Esq., Joseph Jones, Esq., John Cook, Sebastian Rubar and others. On one of his trips that winter Mr. Chandler met in stage coach to Des Moines a young Baltimore physician, Dr. W. H. Grafton, and persuaded him to come to Cambridge and look over the site.” (6)

Josiah built a saw mill on Skunk River in 1853, which was the nucleus of the town of Cambridge. (7)

He died in 1868 and is buried in Cambridge Cemetery, Cambridge, Story, Iowa. Catherine died in 1863 and is buried in Cambridge Cemetery.  (8)

An outdoor recreation area in Cambridge is named after Josiah Chandler. An excerpt from an article about the area reads: “The recreation area is named after Josiah Chandler, one of the first settlers in the Cambridge area. Chandler came to the area looking for minerals to mine, but instead found an unlimited supply of timber. After scouting the area, Chandler went back to Illinois and convinced his brothers to settle here with him and build a sawmill.” The full story is online at; http://www.amestrib.com/news/cambridge-dedicates-josiah-chandler-outdoor-recreation-area

  1. Ancestry
  2. Ancestry
  3. Ancestry
  4. Ancestry
  5. Ancestry
  6. 1890 Biographical and Historical Memoirs of Story County, Iowa Page 207
  7. History of Story County, p. 52
  8. Ancestry


Jarius was born 14 April, 1815 in Minot, Commonwealth of Massachusetts (Maine didn’t become a state until 1820) his parents were Josiah and Catherine Prior Chandler, (1) His siblings were; James (1815-?), Amanda (1817-?), Olive (1819-?), Josiah L. (1822-?), Serno (1826-1898), and William (1830-1900). (2)

He married Julia Blake about 1840 in Maine. (3) Their children were; Alphonse (1841-1909), Wallace Washington (1846-?), and Alice (1858-1944). (4)

Julia and Jarius are listed as living in Foxcroft, Piscataquis, Maine and Union, Story, Iowa in the 1850 and 1860 census. (5)

Jarius played an instrumental role in the early history of Cambridge, Iowa as these excerpts show;

The first resident of the town of Cambridge was Jarius Chandler, building his house near the saw mill. (6)

“CHANDLER’S SAW MILL” was on Skunk River in, or at, the northeast corner of Cambridge, and was built in early times, 1853 or 1854, by Mr. Jairus Chandler. it was a water power saw-mill, and was built before the Grafton & Chandler flouring mill.  (7)

Within a few years after he arrived Jairus Chandler built a log store and inn. (8)

A (post office was also established at Cambridge, of which Jairus Chandler was the first postmaster. For a time, this office supplied mail to an office in Ballard Grove, but there was no regular carrier. (9)

He died about 1862 in Story county. It is not known where he is buried. (10) Julia remarried and died in  1878. (11)

  1. Ancestry
  2. Ancestry
  3. Ancestry
  4. Nevada Historical Society
  5. Ancestry
  6. The History of Story County 1887 Page 52
  7. The History of Story County 1887 Page 52
  8. The History of Story County 1887 page 386
  9. 1890 Biographical and Historical Memoirs of Story County, Iowa page 126
  10. Nevada Historical Society
  11. Nevada Historical Society


Alphonse was born 28 March, 1841 in Newport, Penobscot, Maine to Jarius and Julia Blake Chandler. (1) His siblings were; Wallace Washington (1846-?), and Alice (1858-1944). (2)

In 1862 he married Ellen J. Banks. (3) Their children were; Howard (1869-1913) and Edward (1864-?) (4)

Alphonse were listed in the 1870 census as living in Union, Story, Iowa, in 1885 Cambridge, Story, Iowa and in 1900 lived in Des Moines, Polk, Iowa. (5) Their children were; Howard (1869-1913), and Edward (1864-?).

He died 12 July, 1909 in Cedar Rapids, Linn, Iowa and is buried in Murdoch-Linwood Cemetery in Cedar Rapids. Ellen died 17 Feb, 1930 in Oak Park, Cook, Illinois and is buried in Murdoch-Linwood Cemetery Cedar Rapids. (6)

  1. Ancestry
  2. Ancestry
  3. Ancestry
  4. Ancestry
  5. Ancestry
  6. Find A Grave


Howard was born April 1869 in Story county, Iowa to Alphonse and Ellen J. Banks Chandler. (1) His sibling was Edward (1864-?). (2)

In 1891 he married Geraldine Guthrie in Nevada, Story, Iowa. (3)  Their children were; Raymond (1892-1971), Ellen (1895-1904). (4)

Geraldine and Howard are listed as living in Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota in the 1900 census and in 1910 as living in Schenectady, Schenectady, New York. (5)

Howard died 14 July, 1913 in Bloomfield, Oakland, Michigan his place of burial is unknown. Geraldine died after 1940. (6)

  1. Ancestry
  2. Ancestry
  3. Ancestry
  4. Ancestry
  5. Ancestry
  6. Ancestry


Raymond was born in Iowa to Howard and Geraldine Guthrie Chandler. (1) His sibling was Ellen (1895-1904) (2).

He married Mary Welliver. (3) Their child was: Margaret (?) who married Mr. McDonough, Mary Ellen (1915-1990), and Raymond Jr.(1922-1989)  (4) Raymond and Mary Welliver divorced. In 1938 Raymond married Mary White.(5)

Raymond and Mary moved to Levering Michigan and  buy a house, motel and bar called the Log Cabin.” (6)

He died 4 March, 1971 in Cheboygan, Cheboygan, Michigan, and is buried in Saint Clement Catholic Cemetery in Pellston, Emmet, Michigan.Mary died 15 Sept, 1982 and is buried in Saint Clement Catholic Cemetery.(7)

  1. Ancestry
  2. Ancestry
  3. Ancestry
  4. Lineage given by Mike McDonough
  5.  Information by Mike McDonough
  6. Information by Mike McDonough
  7. Find A Grave.

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Happy holidays; I thought it would be interesting to make a list of all Ichabod’s descendants and their children. If you have stories, pictures, etc. could you send them to me (along with sources) and I will post them in the Courier. Also, please include your lineage to Ichabod; for example mine is; Barb Chandler>Paul Chandler( father)>Everett Chandler(grandfather)James Chandler Sr.(great grandfather)Elihu Chandler(great great grandfather) Ichabod Chandler(great great great grandfather).

I’m putting up the information I have on Ichabod and his son Elihu since they are two of my ancestors, if you have anything on these men that I have not included please let me know so I can post it.

By sharing our genealogical information we can get to know other members of CFA, and their ancestors a bit better


Ichabod the son of Jonathan and Rebecca Packard Chandler was born 19 September, 1762 in Duxbury, Massachusetts Bay Colony. When Ichabod was born Duxbury was part of the Massachusetts Bay Colony since Massachusetts was not a state until 1788.  (1) His siblings were: Hannah 1769-? John A. 1758-1858, John 1756-1756, Nathaniel 1762-1854, Reuben 1765-? and Avira 1767-1860. (2)

He married Olive Fish 29 Jan, 1784 in Pembroke, Massachusetts Bay Colony. (3)

The children of Ichabod and Olive were; Elihu Elnathan (1795-1884), Ruth (185-?), Ichabod Jr. (1786-1856), John “Fish” (1789-1826), Judith (1791-1878), Josiah “Little” (1792-1868), Abel (1796-1881), Sylvanus (1799-1882) and, Freeman (1801-?). (4)

Ichabod fought in the Revolutionary War twice.  Once, when he was 13 years old he and his father served in the Lexington Alarms n 1775. (5) Two years later, in 1778, he spent 2 months and 4 days at Castle Island. (6)

Between 1783 and 1785 Ichabod followed his father and brothers to Bakerstown. Massachusetts Bay Colony. When Jonathan brought his sons to Bakerstown, Maine or Massachusetts had not become states yet. Maine was part of the Massachusetts Bay Colony until 1820.  Even though there was no mention of Ichabod’s mother or his sister traveling to Bakerstown at the same time. Perhaps the men came to Maine before Rebecca and Hannah so they could get everything ready.  (7)

In 1806 Ichabod and Olive were received into the second Congregational Church in Minot, Massachusetts Bay Colony. (8)

Olive died in Maine 1832. Her place of burial is unknown.

Ichabod died in Maine in 1838. He is buried in Lee Cemetery, Dover-Foxcroft, Piscataquis, Maine (9)

  1.  Ancestry
  2.  Ancestry
  3.  Ancestry
  4.  Database of names in the library of Edmund Chandler Family Association (no longer available)
  5.  Database of names in the library of Edmund Chandler Family Association (no longer available)
  6.  F.W. Cook, Secretary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, May 11, 1929.
  7.   The History of Androscoggin County Maine by Georgia Drew Merrill, editor 1891
  8.  The History of Androscoggin County Maine by Georgia Drew Merrill, editor 1891
  9.  Find A Grave


“Elihu, was a man of sterling habits and absolute integrity deeply religious and true to his convictions in every sense of the word. He had very limited education, yet he could repeat many quotations from the Bible, letter perfect, and clothed his prayers with beautiful language.” (1)

He was the son of Ichabod and Olive Fish Chandler was born 27 January, 1795 in Poland, Commonwealth of Massachusetts. When Elihu was born, Maine was part of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts since it didn’t become a state until 1820. (2) His siblings were; Ruth (185-?), Ichabod Jr. (1786-1856), John “Fish” (1789-1826), Judith (1791-1878), Josiah “Little” (1792-1868), Abel (1796-1881), Sylvanus (1799-1882) and, Freeman (1801-?). (3)

In 1832 Elihu came west to Henderson county Illinois. Where he helped build and guard the forts during the Blackhawk War. (4)

“In 1834 he crossed the Mississippi, and came to the little town of Burlington (known then as Flint Hills) and helped lay out Jefferson Street (the main thoroughfare in Burlington). At that time, there were only a few log houses. Late in 1834 he purchased 320 acres of rough hilly land 18 miles west of Burlington for $1.25 an acre. He chose the site so he could have wood to burn and wild game for food.” (5)

He married Jemima Mathis Dobson June 1835 at Augusta Township, Henry, Iowa, When Elihu married Iowa was part of the Wisconsin Territory since it didn’t become a state until 1846. (6)

Jemima came to Augusta Township with her mother, sister and brother-in-law from Green county Kentucky, and articles of religion from Bush Baptist church. They wanted to organize a community church, and invited a minister from Illinois to help them organize a Baptist Church. In 1834 people begin holding meetings in a cabin in Augusta 10 miles south of Burlington. In 1838 Elihu became one of the first members of the new church. The church, known as Long Creek Baptist, was the first Baptist Church in the State of Iowa now known as Danville Baptist Church. (7)

The children of Elihu and Jemima were; James (1836-1908), Elihu Jr. (1838-1843), Sophronia Jane (1841-1864), and Ruth Olive (1843-1887). (8) They both were on the 1850 and 1870 census as living in Baltimore Township, Henry, Iowa. (9)

Elihu died 1884 in Baltimore Township, and was originally buried on a farm in Henry county. His body was re-buried in Pleasant Grove Cemetery, Pleasant Grove Henry, Iowa. (10)

Jemima died 1888 in Baltimore Township, and is buried in Pleasant Grove Cemetery, Pleasant Grove, Henry, Iowa. (11)

  1. Everett Chandler’s letter to his son Paul.
  2. Ancestry
  3. Ancestry
  4. Obituary
  5. Everett Chandler’s letter to his son Paul.
  6. Ancestry
  7. History of Danville Community
  8. Family History
  9. Ancestry
  10. Find a Grave and Obituary
  11. Find a Grave

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Carol May


More DNA news this issue which includes an update on the Australian-Northern Irish match with the Edmund Chandler family.  So much going on behind the scenes both with the Edmund Chandler family and the CFA, it is hard to find the time to write the newsletter. Sorry, no pictures yet as Barb took care of that.


Watch for the excellent and award winning CFA newsletter which will be coming out in July.  It will feature interesting English travel tips and insights.  In addition there is a story on the Plymouth and Jamestown colonies compared and contrasted plus more. Make sure that you are a paid up CFA member to receive the CFA newsletter. There will also be an upcoming anniversary CFA edition with lots of pictures and diary excerpts of the just completed Chandler tour of England. This was described by many as a “trip of a lifetime” as it featured an elaborate formal dinner at the Wax Chandlers’ Guild, special tours, being announced by the Town Crier in full regalia and more.


I am looking for a descendant of Edmund’s son, Joseph, who has taken the 37 marker DNA test to upgrade to 111 markers. If money is an issue the test can be subsidized from our Edmund Chandler research treasury.  Prefer a member of Edmund Chandler chapter of the CFA.  This test is for research into the entire Edmund Chandler family so would not be solely for the benefit of the testee. Read more about it in “The Chandler Project and the U198 Project” below.


If some of the DNA stuff sounds confusing, you are not alone!  Ask, and I will try to get answers.


In this issue:






















First, a quick summary, last issue we reported a Y-DNA match with our Edmund Chandler genetic Group 13 and Roger Hale of Australia who has Northern Irish roots.  This was a BIG surprise as we thought that when we got a DNA match with our Edmund Chandler group it would be with someone in England with the surname of Chandler.


Since the last issue, the Y-DNA results have come back from the other Australian Hale who was tested.  He does match our new member, Angela’s father, Roger and thus also our Edmund Chandler group.


This match, plus their paper trail, confirms that the common ancestor for the two Hales was William Hale of Northern Ireland who was born c. 1800. We don’t know if he was born there or elsewhere. So now we have moved out of Australia and into Northern Ireland with our Hale matches.


That still leaves an over 200 year gap between Edmund Chandler’s birth and William Hale’s birth plus two different surnames.


John Chandler, our DNA expert, wrote that William Hale is theoretically close enough to have descended from Edmund Chandler. However, the scenario of Edmund having an illegitimate son with the surname Hale is pretty farfetched considering how religious he was. John was not saying that this happened only he is that close genetically.   More likely, the common ancestor between Edmund and the Hales is farther back than when Edmund was born, although how far back we don’t know.


We can do further testing to try to see if the Hales and Chandlers can be separated into two groups, right now they are one group. We don’t know which one would be the off-shoot group which means who came first the Chandlers or the Hales.


We have traced the Hales through DNA to Northern Ireland, now the issue is to try to figure out where the Chandler/Hale connection is.  Very broadly we know that Edmund was a Protestant as was Angela’s, ancestor William Hale. More specifically Edmund was a Separatist. William Hale’s family was a combination of Church of Ireland and Presbyterian according to the analysis that Angela did.


I did a crash course on the history of religion of Northern Ireland to try to figure out through religious affiliations where the Hales came from before they migrated to Northern Ireland. I found that the Church of Ireland was the Irish version of the Church of England. The Presbyterians were mainly Scottish. We already ruled out the likelihood of William Hale being Irish because he wasn’t Catholic and Hale is considered mostly an English name.


There were more Presbyterians amongst the Hale wives. People do convert and their descendants may convert back, but there was no unified affiliation in the family with the Presbyterians who were mostly of Scottish origins. So that leads us back to the likelihood of the Hales being of English origins rather than Lowland Scottish.


We don’t know when the Hales migrated to Northern Ireland. Records are few and sketchy. The earliest Hale that we could find so far was John Hale who was murdered in the Irish Massacres of 1641/42.  We don’t know if he was an ancestor of  William Hale or not.


The religious conflicts of Northern Ireland are well known to the world. In the 1600s, the English king drove many of the Irish out of their own lands and created plantations settled by Scot Presbyterians (who later became known as the Scots-Irish), English and a few others to quell, to him, the troublesome Irish.


Then the Presbyterian Scots began being a problem to the English with their quest to be independent. As a result there was a crackdown on the Northern Irish Presbyterians with England wanting them to leave Presbyterianism and join the Church of Ireland which was affiliated with the Church of England.  Politics and religion were tightly intertwined.


All the while, both the Scots-Irish and the English were having trouble with the Irish Catholics some of whom became “woodkerns.” “Woodkerns” were marauding bandits who made life difficult for the Scottish and English Protestant migrants, or invaders, depending on whose side one was on.


Many of the Scots were already experienced fighters as some them came from the borderland region between Scotland and England which was filled with “reivers.” Reivers consisted of both Scottish and English raiders. Northern Ireland was a volatile place with clashing religions and peoples.






Ireland in the seventeenth century, or, The Irish massacres of 1641-2 [ed … – Google Books


Dissenters in Ireland

BBC – Legacies – Immigration and Emigration – Northern Ireland – Irish Stew – Irish Stew – Article Page 1

Irish Ancestors

Researching Covenanter Ancestors : Return to the Cradle of Irish Presbyterianism

Free Irish genealogy websites. The 10 best free sites for Irish family history.

Hale | Irish Origenes: Use Family Tree DNA to Discover Your Genetic Origins | Clans of Ireland | Irish Surnames Map









A few of our members are also involved in the U198 project in addition to our Chandler DNA project. For anyone looking to find out which Chandler family that they belong to, our Chandler DNA project, of which the Edmund Chandler family is a participant, is the place to go. Our Chandler DNA project is the clearing house, so to speak, for all Chandlers and most have found matches. Here is the CFA link: Chandler Family Association – The Chandler DNA Project

While the Chandler DNA project traces back through genealogical time (that’s when surnames began being used) the U198 project is more anthropological going forward in time starting from the first man.  Naturally no one knows the names of these early individuals, so it is really anthropology rather than genealogy.


Several million people have the U198 genetic marker and the project is working on dividing them into smaller and smaller groups. The Hales and Edmund Chandler descendants have the U198 marker. The Edmund Chandler family is the only Chandler family that I know of that has the U198 marker. The U198 project is trying to work its way forward into genealogical time.


Both of our projects are trying to figure out where the Hales split off from the Chandlers or vice versa.  Two Hales and one Edmund Chandler descendant of Edmund’s son, Benjamin, have upgraded their Chandler DNA project tests from 67 markers to 111 markers.  We need to upgrade a descendant of Edmund’s son Joseph for comparison.  The available male descendants of Edmund’s son, Joseph, have only taken the 37 marker test so upgrading one of those tests will be more expensive.


So, if you descend from Edmund’s son, Joseph, and wish to upgrade your test to 111markers, let me know. Upgrading is just a matter of telling the FTDNA and paying the additional money.  You don’t have to send in another sample. As we have a fund for research, if money is an issue we can subsidize or partially subsidize the upgrade from our treasury.  This upgrade is more for the benefit of the whole group rather than just an individual as we hope to find out if the descendants of the Hales, Benjamin or Joseph Chandler can be separately identified by markers. The project discount price for the upgrade from 37 markers to 111 markers is $220.00. Preference will be given to Edmund Chandler chapter members of the CFA.


We are presently waiting for more test results to come back, and hope to have the results next time from both the Chandler DNA project and the U198 project.





The last financial report from Bob shows the same amount of money that we have now as we have not had expenditures.  As a reminder, we did not merge our treasury with the Chandler Family Association when we merged with them.  The money is still set aside for Edmund Chandler family research.  Some of which we plan to use for DNA research.   Our English CFA members are out there scouting for Chandlers in general. If anything promising shows up, we can consider sponsoring a DNA test.


Also, there is nothing so far on finding a place for the plaque in Duxbury.  Billie has been contacted by the new owners of Joseph (Edmund’s son) Chandler’s home as they are very interested in the history of the house.  They are in luck, as Billie was able to research the house and both go further back in time and correct the mistakes of past research.  It is a big deal in Duxbury to have one’s house history researched with an accurate chain of title that goes back to colonial times. It’s like “genealogy” for houses!





Most New Englanders who have pre-1800 Chandlers in their family tree descend from one (or in some cases more) of four genetically unrelated Chandler families.  They are our Edmund Chandler of Duxbury, Mass, William and Annis Chandler of Roxbury, Mass, William Chandler of Newbury, Mass, and Roger Chandler of Concord, Mass. There are also a few other early smaller, but not as well-known Chandler families.


Questions have abounded over the years over whether some of the families are related and where they came from.


Just recently and surprisingly, William Chandler of Newbury, Mass descendants matched the descendants of John Chandler of 1610 Jamestown, Virginia and not another New England family in our Chandler DNA project. It is a close enough match for them to have shared a common ancestor in the past.


Both William of Newbury and John of 1610 Jamestown are part of genetic Group 7 which is divided into several sub-groups. The origins of Group 7 appear to be in Hampshire and Wiltshire, England.


Just previous to the discovery that William of Newbury and John of Jamestown share a common ancestor, it was discovered through Chandler DNA project testing that descendants of Roger of Concord matched Chandlers in England with Yorkshire roots. So now it seems quite likely that Roger Chandler came from Yorkshire as his wife’s family also came from Yorkshire which is in northern England.


For years it was speculated that Roger of Concord was the son of Roger Chandler of Duxbury, Mass, but the evidence gathered so far does not support that. Also, because we think that Roger of Duxbury and Edmund of Duxbury were related, Roger of Concord descendants should match Edmund, but they do not.


We know or at least have strong clues where all of the “Big Four” Chandlers came from with the exception of our Edmund.


The discovery of a match between the Edmund Chandler descendants and a Hale with Northern Irish roots has only deepened the mystery as the Hales do not appear to have come from Northern Ireland originally as they were not Catholic and Hale is an English derived name.





Most folks understand that Y-DNA testing is for males only. Men have the Y chromosome and women don’t. Our Y-DNA Chandler project is for Chandler surnamed males. Exceptions are name changes, adoptions and events outside the marriage.


The Y-DNA test follows the paternal line.  This is where confusion can set in. What is the paternal line?


First, look at the chart from International Society of Genetic Genealogists (ISOGG). It is a classic pedigree chart with the paternal line shown in blue.

Paths of DNA inheritance – ISOGG Wiki

Now imagine that chart filled in as far as you can with your ancestors. The very top line in blue is your paternal line which is your father, his father, his father and so on. It is also a line. It doesn’t zigzag between males and females.


Sometimes folks figure that if they are male, but their surname is “Smith”, for example, and their mother or grandmother was a Chandler that would qualify them for the Chandler DNA project. It would not because their paternal line is “Smith” and not Chandler. The line that would be followed would be “Smith.”


All is not lost if you are not a Chandler surnamed male and wish to utilize the Y-DNA test.  Find a Chandler surnamed brother, father, grandfather, uncle, male cousin or nephew to take the test as the results would also apply to you.





April, our new Edmund Chandler CFA chapter member, sent in her Chandler line and lo and behold, we have another Chandler family in Maine that we didn’t know existed. Her husband’s Chandler line beginning with Edmund (this is the preferred CFA way) and working back to her husband’s grandfather is:


Edmund Chandler>Joseph Chandler>Philip Chandler>Perez Chandler>Perez Chandler>Benjamin Chandler>Benjamin Chandler>Chauncey Chandler>Horace Chandler


The tricky part of her research was the first Benjamin Chandler.  He was born in 1804 in Duxbury, but moved to Somerset, Maine. In his death record it was mistakenly recorded that he was born in Roxbury, Mass which is not Edmund Chandler territory, but William and Annis Chandler territory. He was also the only Edmund Chandler descendant in that area of Maine.


For those interested in her ancestor Perez Chandler, I did a story on the first Perez, the meaning of his name and his Revolutionary War service as part of the Committee of Correspondence of Duxbury in a past issue of Edmund’s Community Courier which you can access by either scrolling back or using the search function.





In the Summer 2015 issue I wrote a story on Irving W. Chandler, but his mother’s maiden name was very mysterious until now.




Edmund Chandler>Benjamin Chandler>Joseph Chandler> Capt. Jonathan Chandler>Jonathan A. Chandler>William L. Chandler>George W. Chandler>Irving Chandler.)


Our member, Beth, had written the Chandler Genealogy Panel at the CFA to figure out her Chandler lineage. She knew that her ancestor, Irving Chandler, was from Ellenburg, Clinton County, New York. He was our only New York born Chandler that I have come across so far. After some sleuthing, I hit a roadblock with “Weller” Chandler.  More sleuthing revealed that “Weller” was actually William L. Chandler.


However, Irving’s mother’s maiden name was spelled in so many unique ways that it seemed impossible to figure out what it was originally. Beth wrote that Irving’s mother was Victoria Robertoh.  Robertoh seemed like a very unusual name as there were no other “Robertohs” that I could find. Census and vital records only added to the mystery. She was “Victra” Robardo on Irving’s first marriage record and “Victoria Roberts” on his second marriage record. Vermont vital records showed Irving’s father marrying “Victorine Robertold.”


I thought if I went back a little farther, her name might be revealed. I found “Victoria Doe” daughter of “Robert Doe” in the 1850 US census for Ellenburg, Clinton New York. There may have been a couple of other variations.


Instead of further research helping, it made it even more confusing. Finally, a light bulb moment when I stumbled onto the French the name Clyde Melvin Rabideau who wrote “Headstone Inscriptions of Clinton County, Vol. 3.


Most likely “Robertoh” and variations were from the name Rabideau or a similar French name. Clinton County, New York is very close to French speaking Quebec, Canada. There was also an Antoine Robider in the area. While I have come across phonetically spelled names now and again and in regional accents, it never occurred to me to think French!





I transcribed Julia’s Bible entries. The Chandler entries begin in the mid 1700s with Rufus Chandler, Julia’s grandfather, his wives, Nancy Cushing and Abigail Dennison and continue through to the mid 1800s with their children. I didn’t transcribe the Websters or the Waites. The Bible, transcription and pictures of the pertinent pages were displayed at the CFA annual meeting in September of last year.


The plan is to put the transcription and pictures of the Bible into the CFA library. We hope to find a descendant of Julia’s siblings, as it appears that she had no children, who would love to reclaim this piece of family history.




More news next time.  Until then happy ancestor hunting!













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The biggest news this issue is finding a match between the Edmund Chandler project Y-DNA testees and an Australian with Northern Irish roots.


Our old site, www.edmundchandler.com  is no more. A reminder that our new site can be found at: Chandler Family Association – Genetic Chandler Family #13 – Descendants of Edmund Chandler
born England 1588

There were technical difficulties in getting the files out of the old site, but none have been lost.

Thank you James Campbell, our webmaster, for managing the ECFA web site for 11 years while raising a family, working at a full-time job, and doing missionary work in remote places of the world.

Lastly, our long-time editor, Barb, is retiring for health reasons. Thank you, Barb, for your work as editor. In addition to doing some of the writing, she posted the Courier and found many illustrations for it.

Our founder, James, is helping out by posting the Courier. He of many computer skills and me of so few!

I did have several stories on the Civil War and more on DNA, but have put them off until a future issue to bring you this breaking news.



We have been hoping for an Edmund Chandler DNA match outside of the US, but we thought it would be in England as that is where we, we meaning mostly CFA member Dick our English CFA members, have been looking.  However, the Chandler Y-DNA project is worldwide, with over 500 participants, so our match came from an Australian with Northern Irish roots!

Adding to the mystery is that this new match is not surnamed Chandler but Hale.

Angela Hale, our newest member, is an enthusiastic genealogist who asked her Dad to take the Y-DNA test.   She hoped that he would match a Hale as that is his surname. To her surprise and ours, her father was a 66/67 match with one of our Edmund Chandler testees and a 64/67 match with the remainder of our testees. That’s a very close match and the difference is negligible between the testees.

Thanks to members Angela and Dr. Bob, the tests were upgraded to 111 markers and the match held up with 107 out of 111 markers matching. That’s really close, close enough to warrant a cigar.

In addition to upgrading their Y-DNA marker tests to 111 markers, both Dr. Bob and Angela’s father also tested positive for the U-198 marker (see the U-198 story below).


Her research shows that her 5th great grandfather was William Hale, of Ballymore, Armagh County, which is now in Northern Ireland. His son, Thomas Hale, her 4th great grandfather, married in Tandragee Armagh County and then the couple immigrated to Australia from Ballymore in 1855 on the ship “Glorianna.”

Questions immediately arose.  If he was a Hale why did his descendant match the Edmund Chandler descendants?  At this point it seems geographically impossible or at least very improbable that Thomas Hale descended from Edmund as no Edmund descendants returned to the British Isles that we know about.

If not a descendant of Edmund, that could push the common ancestor of both William Hale and Edmund Chandler back even farther, before the common use of surnames.  That’s 400 plus years ago. That could explain why he was a Hale and Edmund was a Chandler. It is also possible Hales were once Chandlers or vice versa.

Hale is a habitational name of Old English origin meaning hollow or nook. Chandler, as we all know, is an occupational name, originally candle maker.

Was there unofficial adoption somewhere along the line?  Adoptions up until more modern times were usually unofficial. Family members or family friends died and the child was taken in and often given the surname of the adopting family. That’s another way a Chandler could have become a Hale or vice versa.

The Hales were probably not Irish as William Hale was Presbyterian and not Catholic. Hale is a popular name in England and southern Wales.  However, Presbyterians were mostly Scottish. So there is a possibility that William Hale was of Scots origin rather than English.  So

During the reign of King James (1566-1625), Scottish Presbyterians were sent to colonize Northern Ireland driving the Irish chieftains and their followers into the hills and marginal lands. This was the King’s way of taking care of, to him, those troublesome Irish. Those Scots later became known as the Scots-Irish. They were mainly Presbyterian Lowland Scots who moved to Ireland and mainly Church of England Englishmen who also moved to Northern Ireland. More Scots moved to Northern Ireland over time, many more Scots than Englishmen.

It is interesting to note that neither William Hale nor Edmund Chandler were Church of England as Edmund was a Separatist although he was born over 200 years before William Hale, the Presbyterian.

It is also possible that William Hale’s family were more recent immigrants to Northern Ireland as people did move there for work over the ages.

In Australia, Angela also found another descendant of Thomas Hale, the 1855 immigrant from Northern Ireland, to agree to Y- DNA testing.

Here is Angela’s story in brief.

She got as far back as her 5th great- grandfather, William Hale who married Euphemia (Austin?) with her research. They had Thomas Hale (c.1833-1919) who married Jessie Emerson in Tandragee, County Armagh, in now Northern Ireland. The couple migrated from Ballymore, County Armagh to Australia on the ship “Glorianna” in 1855.  The immigration papers indicated that they had no relatives living in Australia at the time they arrived.

From then on they were all Australians.  Their son named William Hale (1858-1926) married Elizabeth Colquhoun. They had Albert Stanley Hale (1892-1965) who married Alice Aldrich who had Ronald Ian Hale (1915-1951) who married Florence Monkley who had Angela’s father, Roger.

If the new testee from Australia also matches our Edmund group, we can research Northern Ireland further, if not, well genealogy is all about solving mysteries.

Plantation of Ulster – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  More about the colonization of Northern Ireland by command of King James I.

James VI and I – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  The King of Scotland and England.



As for the origins of our Edmund Chandler, we all know that he was documented as being in Leiden, Holland with the Separatists in the early 1600s.  Our member, Billie, did some further research that indicated that Roger Chandler was his brother and that they lived in Colchester, Essex, England.  Alas, the researchers, authors of books on Pilgrims, who she contacted, did not have the paperwork, just the memory of it!

We do know from Roger’s marriage record that he was listed as being “of” Colchester.  Our fellow CFA members in England are also looking for Chandlers to Y-DNA test. Rochester is another area that is a possibility for Edmund’s origins.

Another question arises, if Edmund could have been “of” Colchester, were his family roots there or were they from elsewhere?



Our Chandler/Hale surprise is not the only DNA news that we have. Two of our members, one being Angela’s father and the other being Dr. Bob, have also joined the U-198 DNA project as they both tested positive for that marker.

Unlike the Y-DNA project that deals in genealogical time which covers the time of surname usage which began about 500 years ago for common people, the U-198 project focuses on deep ancestral research — think tribes and spears.  Their results are also applicable to the rest of the Edmund Chandler Y-DNA project testees.

Below is our member, Dick’s, explanation of haplogroup R1b that Edmund’s descendants belong to and the U-198 project.

Haplogroups are the main branches of the human evolutionary tree, consisting of groups of DNA patterns which are inherited from a common ancestor, and somewhere in their genes a specific genetic mutation unique to that haplogroup.  Edmund descendants belong to haplogroup R1b, the most common European haplogroup, carried by about 70% of English men.  Within that haplogroup, a small percentage (about 2% of that 70%) carry an additional mutation at one specific location – named U-198 – in their Y chromosome.  (The actual mutation is the nucleic acid adenine occurring at that location, where everyone else in R1b has the acid guanine at that location.) Any man, of any surname,  carrying that mutation can join the U-198 project, which aims to establish where and when that additional mutation occurred, probably 4 to 5 thousand years ago in Europe, whereas the R1b identifying mutation occurred about 25,000 years ago.

As you can see, the mutation named U-198 occurred thousands of years before the use of surnames – back in the days of tribes and spears.  However, one of the goals of the U-198 project is to find out the surnames of those who test positive for U-198 and where they can be found in modern times and to see what patterns might emerge. For more information about the U-198 project:





“Genealogy Roadshow” will be back on PBS starting May 17, 2016. Participants from Boston, Miami, Houston, Los Angeles and more will be featured.


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Summer greetings to all! I have been very busy these past months with both genealogy and non-genealogy business. Much has been going on behind the scenes both with our Edmund Chandler Chandler family chapter and at the CFA.


The contents of our ECFA web site are in the process of moving to the Chandler Family Association Edmund Chandler Chapter as we merged with the CFA last year. The Edmund Chandler family was the 13th genetic Chandler family to be recognized, so we are Chapter 13. Our founder, James, and the CFA editor, Claudia, have been working hard making this happen. You can go to our ECFA web site, http://www.edmundchandler.com , where you will find a clickable link for our new CFA Edmund Chandler Chapter 13 site or you can go directly to our new site: Chandler Family Association – Genetic Chandler Family #13 – Descendants of Edmund Chandler born England 1588
With the exception of the Members’ Only section which will be moved in the near future, everything has been moved over to our new site. If you are a paid member and want to access the Members’ Only section and library, you can e-mail me, Carol, at docabye@aol.com for the new password.
Because of the difficulty, impossibility according to Claudia, of creating a Members’ Only section at the CFA web site, most of our library and other Members’ Only material will be available to everyone at our new site. Claudia is the editor of the CFA newsletter, information and computer wrangler. If you wish your Edmund Chandler lineage to be on the public lineage page, Chandler Family Association – Members’ Lineages , you can contact Claudia to have your lineage added to this page. Barb, our Edmund’s Community Courier editor, has already her lineage posted. The databases will be in the CFA library.
A big thank you to Claudia of the CFA and our ECFA, founder James for tackling the enormous project of moving our huge amount of records, maps, photos and information – about 1200 pages in the library alone. As the CFA is a big group (about 700 members worldwide), there are many hands to help with administrative chores so updates to the CFA web site will be frequent.


*O’NEIL FARM A 300 hundred-year-old farm owned only by Chandlers, Averys and O’Neils) will be a part of the 2020 quadricentennial celebrating the landing of the Pilgrims at Plymouth. Your connection to the farm is either as a direct descendant of one of the Chandlers who owned the farm or as a many times removed great nephew or niece.
*JULIA F. CHANDLER BIBLE An 1887 Bible with births, marriages and deaths going back to the 1700s.
*IRVING W. AND WILLIAM (WELLER?!) L. CHANDLER A Chandler brick wall broken down. This one led back to William L. Chandler of Bartlett, New Hampshire
*DNA NEWS We have two new YDNA matches with the Edmund Chandler family. Also, a simple explanation of the several kinds of DNA tests and a simple explanation of how ethnic origins and cousin finding works and whether or not this may pencil out for you.
*SOME CFA NEWS Latest on the 25th anniversary and annual meeting, trip to England and more.


Where was Edmund from? That has been the really big question for years. Our member, Billie, has a hot lead. I am hoping that we can spend time researching that lead further.


Billie has finished writing her book on Joseph Chandler, his land, and some of his descendants. Joseph was Edmund Chandler, the immigrant’s son. The writing is done, next will be adding the maps, photos and illustrations. When that is done it will be published.

THE O’NEIL FARM:History – Historic O’Neil Farm

Avery / O'Neil dairy barn taken around 1890.

Avery / O’Neil dairy barn taken around 1890.

The O’Neil farm, with a rich and deep Chandler history, will represent Duxbury as part of the Plymouth quadricentennial which will be celebrated in 2020.
It is the last working dairy farm in Duxbury and is one of the last historic working farms on the South Shore of Massachusetts. Carl O’Neil, the support of the town of Duxbury, donors and The Wildlands Trust of Southeastern Massachusetts arranged to have the farm permanently preserved as a working farm several years ago. Carl O’Neil, a descendant of Edmund Chandler, the immigrant, still operates the farm.
Part of the farm was first purchased in 1715 by Samuel Chandler (Benjamin>Edmund, the immigrant) and his cousin, Joseph Chandler, (Joseph > Edmund, the immigrant.) Joseph married Martha Hunt and later moved to Maine selling his portion to his son, Philip. Only three families – the Chandlers, Averys and O’Neils have owned the farm over the last three centuries. Past owners of the various portions of the farm include Nathan Chandler, Ira Chandler, Nathaniel Lewis Chandler, Horatio Chandler as well as other Chandlers.

Chandler / Avery / O'Neil Homestead .

Chandler / Avery / O’Neil Homestead .

An Avery married a Chandler and an O’Neil married a Chandler further extending the Chandler connection to the farm. It was not a straight line inheritance by one branch of the Chandler family as the land that makes up the farm was bought, inherited, sold and bought again by various Chandlers.
To see pictures and to read more about the history of the farm, which includes more information about the Chandlers, click the link; http://www.historiconeilfarm.org/history.html

Horatio Chandler ( with oxen.

Horatio Chandler ( with oxen.

Today, the farm consists of 145 acres and 40 cows. You can participate in group tours, organized events such as Farm Day, or hike the one mile Chandler trail which includes wild lands. There are also programs for pre-school and school children.
If you have information or a story about the O’Neil Farm, they would appreciate hearing from you.


Lynn Holmes, from Virginia, recently gave a Bible with the inscription, “Julia F. Chandler from Mother, Dec.25th 1887” to the CFA.

It was not her Bible, but part of a collection of antiques owned by her antique store-owning grandparents. The query went out, “Who was Julia F. Chandler?” As the lady lived in Virginia, researching Chandlers from the south seemed the logical place to look first. I mistakenly thought that there was not much chance that they were Edmund Chandler descendants until I got the first real clue that Julia was from Freeport, Maine and that there was a Winslow in the family – lots of Winslows in New England.
When I began reading the names listed in the Bible, I said an out loud “Oh, my gosh!” as there were Chandler names that I recognized as being Edmund descendants. There was Julia’s uncle, Rufus Chandler, who died in Texas, another Rufus and others that we had in our database.
Julia’s mother, who gave her the Bible, was Almira (Webster) Chandler. Although it is very difficult to read it appears that Edward, Julia’s father, died at sea in 1857 the year that Julia was born. Edward does not appear in the 1860 US census which would lend credence to that being the correct date.
Julia’s lineage starting with Julia is: Julia F. Chandler> Edward Chandler+Almira Webster> Rufus Chandler+Abigail Dennison> Jonathan Chandler+Rachel Mitchell> Joseph Chandler+Martha Hunt> Joseph Chandler+Mercy?>Edmund Chandler, the immigrant,+?
The Bible lists Chandler marriages, births and deaths going back to her g-grandfather, Rufus Chandler (born in 1766), his wives Nancy Cushing and Abigail Dennison, and their children. There are also many Websters and some Waites. Claudia, the editor of the CFA newsletter, sent me copies of the pages which she enhanced for easier reading, although some of them are still extremely faded. I will transcribe them and hopefully we can post the transcriptions.
As the Bible was published in 1887 the names and dates were filled in most likely by Julia and she continued to add to it until the early 1900s. Groups like the Mayflower Society and DAR are picky about when Bibles were published as anything entered into a Bible before the date of publication was considered after the fact and not as good as information entered at the time of the event. Nonetheless, the entries in this Bible seem to be fairly accurate, either copied from another source, an older Bible perhaps, or taken from records. Some of the records we already have, although some of them may be exclusive to her Bible as many Maine vital records have been lost.
Julia was born Nov. 4, 1857 in Freeport, Maine. She married Wilbur Allen or Allan (misspelled “Allar” in some records) on June 6, 1896 in most likely her hometown of Freeport, Maine although the marriage was also recorded in nearby Portsmouth, New Hampshire.Freeport is a southern Maine coastal town, probably most famous today for being the home of the L.L. Bean store.
She was 39-years-old when she married and subsequent censuses show no children. We would like to find the nearest living relative of Julia, probably a descendant of one of her nieces or nephews to perhaps reunite them with the Bible. The antique store, owned by Lynn Holmes’ grandparents, was located in Leeds, Maine.
Julia’s siblings were: Mary A., Benjamin W., Augustine W., and Edward H.
If these names ring a bell let me know. I will be working on the transcription of the Bible records.


When it rains it pours. After fruitlessly chasing after so many Chandlers who did not lead back to Edmund, I got two within a couple of months. First, there was finding Julia’s family and then tracing the family of Irving Chandler.
I am on the CFA Genealogy Panel which means that this is where the Chandler brick wall questions go. Queries come in from Chandlers all over the world. Occasionally, I get sent inquiries with a New England and possible Edmund connection.
This time it was Irving W. Chandler, who was born in New York c. 1866. Irving turned out to be the first Edmund Chandler descendant to be born in New York that I have come across. An earlier Edmund Chandler descendant family lived in New York for a while then he and most of his family returned to their home state.
According to the 1870 and 1880 US census Irving was a resident of Ellenburg, Clinton, New York. Clinton County borders Vermont. His father, George, married in Colchester, Vermont, but was born in New Hampshire. Irving worked in the textile industry and ended up living in Methuen, Massachusetts.
Misspellings, frequent moves and apparent early death of George made this family difficult to trace. Irving’s mother was, ”Victoria Robertoh”, “Victra Robardo,” “Victoria Roberts”, and “Victorine Robertold”, possibly Victoria Doe, and finally “Anna” according to various records. I am still not sure about the spelling of her last name. With such a wide variation of names, Familysearch did not pick them up as the same person.
Continuing with the wild spelling I came across “Weller” Chandler recorded as George’s father and Irving’s grandfather. Both Dick and I searched for clues as to who this “Weller” was. Dick found a Weller marrying a Chandler in northern Vermont. I found a Wheeler Chandler, who was also an Edmund descendant, but he was not “Weller”.
The clue that solved the puzzle was where George came from. It was Bartlett, New Hampshire and there was a George of the right age whose father was William L. Chandler in the 1850 and 1860 censuses which we figured somehow had mutated into “Weller” in other records. I didn’t have the original records, only transcripts, so we don’t know if it was bad handwriting, bad spelling or bad transcribing or a combination there of which created “Weller.”
Here is Irving’s lineage starting with Irving:
Irving Chandler> George W. Chandler+Victoria Robertoh> William L. Chandler+Betsey Harriman>Jonathan A. Chandler, Jr.+Ruth Stevens> Capt. Jonathan Chandler+Sarah Pierce> Joseph Chandler+Deborah Bonney> Benjamin Chandler+Elizabeth Buck> Edmund Chandler, the immigrant+?
A more complete account with source links will be in the Genealogy Panel report.
There are a couple of Edmund chapter members who descend from William L. Chandler. Have any of you ever heard of him called “Weller?”
Here is a link to the Bartlett Historical Society which may be helpful:http://www.bartletthistory.org/bartletthistory/collections.html



Another two men who took the YDNA test as part of the Chandler DNA project have found matches with the Edmund Chandler family.
The first testee descends from Edmund’s son, Joseph, through his son also named Joseph and his son Philip. Philip stayed in Duxbury and did not migrate to Maine as did his parents and some of his siblings.
The second testee descends from Edmund Chandler through his son Benjamin and his son Joseph. This Joseph Chandler and family migrated from Duxbury to Connecticut with descendants ending up in Piermont, NH.
Hopefully, a third Edmund descendant is in the works for taking the YDNA test soon.
We still have a standing free offer for a Zebedee Chandler of Plympton, Mass (born c. 1711) descendant to take the test as a match would confirm that this Zebedee did descend from Edmund Chandler.
We are also in the hunt for a descendant of Capt. William Chandler originally of Deptford, Kent, England and later of Portsmouth, New Hampshire to test.
Of course, the hunt still continues in England for testees who would match the Edmund Chandler family.
Also, we at the Chandler DNA project had a big surprise, or shock was more like it, when we got the results back from a descendant of another early New England Chandler family (not Edmund) that matched a southern Chandler family. We are still working on that one. Dick will have a story about it in an upcoming issue of the CFA newsletter.
There are several DNA tests now on the market, YDNA, mitochondrial DNA and autosomal DNA. There is a new YDNA test called “Big Y”, but it is expensive and not for surname projects such as our Chandler YDNA project. “Big Y” is for research that goes much farther back than surnames. YDNA testing has proven to be an excellent way to break down brick walls as the testee either matches members of that family or not. It follows the male line only, which in our culture follows the surname, unless there was an unofficial adoption, name change or event outside the marriage.
The mitochondrial test is for the female line and is only in the beginning stages. Not that many have taken this test as opposed to the YDNA test, so not a lot to compare to. It is much more difficult to trace the female line because the surnames change every generation, although the mitochondrial DNA does not.
Lastly there is the autosomal test which is becoming very popular although it is still in the beginning stage as it tests both the male and female side. It sounds great, but you can end up spending a lot of money and not really find out anything useful, especially if you are searching for ancestors who are farther back than fourth cousins. Once you get to fourth or fifth cousins and even often with them, you can get so many hits it can become meaningless.
The autosomal test is more of a cousin finder and loosely an ethnic origin finder. Children inherit half of their genes from one parent and half from the other parent. It is like reaching into a jar and grabbing a handful of colored marbles (genes) from father and then reaching into another jar and grabbing a handful of colored marbles (genes) from mother. Each jar is filled with different colored marbles (genes) inherited from their parents, grandparents and so on. As it is random we don’t get equal amounts of genes from our grandparents, their parents and so on.
Siblings have close, but not identical DNA. Only identical twins have identical DNA. One sibling might inherit that “light cerulean blue colored marble” (gene) from gggg-grandfather and the other sibling might not inherit that “marble” or may not even inherit any colored “marbles” (genes) from gggg-grandfather.
Although autosomal testing can be very helpful in the right situation as in looking for fairly close relatives, it can also get very expensive if you decide to start testing not only yourself, but siblings and cousins trying to track down an elusive farther back ancestor. It could still end up for naught.
Again that is why YDNA testing is so helpful to genealogists because the male “Y” chromosome is inherited almost unchanged through the generations. Generally you only have to pay for one test. There is no random inheritance of the “Y” chromosome (genes are in the chromosomes). The father will pass it to his son and to his son and so forth.
I took the plunge and took the autosomal test as I had very little information about my Polish grandfather and I wasn’t completely certain about that. I was looking for close relatives not distant ones. It was helpful in that it correctly identified my second cousin although we already had made contact thorough traditional genealogy research.
I did find out that I tested nearly half eastern European with maybe a dab of Finnish/Western Russian which fit into what I thought. No dab of Yakut Siberian reindeer herder for me like my Danish side cousin so no packing my bags for a genealogical excursion to Siberia!
You can’t take the ethnicity part of the test as an exact science as few populations are very “pure.” It can offer clues and can also create confusion with mistakes, but it is kind of fun. People who identify as English often show a lot of Scandinavian or Western European. Those Vikings sure got around!


In September, the 25th Anniversary celebration and annual meeting will be held in Louisville, Kentucky which will include a river boat cruise. There will also be announcements on what the chapters are doing. I will be sending a summary of what has been going on with Edmund Chandler research.
As the CFA is a big, worldwide group, there is a lot of business to take care of regularly. Sometimes small — key chains, no, and sometimes very big – a trip to England, yes! I have been only on the periphery of some of the Chandler administrative and organizational tasks, like the trip to England, but have been involved with others such as the Genealogy Panel and Chandler DNA project.
If you are interested in Chandler emblazoned pens, t-shirts or a nice tote bag click here: Chandler Family Association – CFA Merchandise

If you are a paid member, you probably got the brochure on the trip to England. There is now a waiting list. It will not be an ordinary tourist outing as it is being custom tailored, by both Chandlers here and Chandlers in England with several surprises planned. The tour will hit popular tourist sites as well as specific Chandler such as Wiltshire. Wiltshire is the ancestral home of genetic Group 7 which includes descendants of John Chandler of 1610 Jamestown and George and Jane Chandler of Pennsylvania/Delaware.
Boy, did I wish we knew where in England Edmund came from so that Edmund’s birthplace could have been included on the tour. We are still working on Edmund’s English origins and hopefully, someday Edmund descendants can visit where he came from.

TIPS AND USEFUL LINKS: Chronicling America « Library of Congress

The above came from our member, Bob. It is the Library of Congress digitized newspaper collection. Click on this link to go to the collection: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/newspapers/

Southern California Genealogical Society: Official Web Site
A reminder, if you want inexpensive home computer access to library editions of Fold3, World Vital Records, My Heritage, and webinars you can join the SCGS for $35.00 per year, link above. All of these resources are available online at your home so you don’t need to live in Southern California to benefit. They are also subject to change. You also may be able to get discounts on DNA testing.

If you do live in Southern California, they have a large library, special interest groups, field trips, “lunch and learn” and put on the second largest genealogy convention in the country, the Jamboree available. A couple of their current projects include creating a facsimile of the 1890 census for Los Angeles, California and raising funds for digitizing pension records for the War of 1812.


The Revolutionary War series got put on the back burner while settling into the CFA and researching other Edmund descendants. I hope to work a little more on Edmund’s origins with help and eventually I will get back to the Revolutionary War.
Until next time, happy ancestor hunting!

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May 23, 2015 Edmunds Community Courier


The Generations Project, a television series that explores the family histories of ordinary people airs on BYU television Dish Network channel 9403, DirecTV channel 374, and online. The series  sponsored by Rootsmagic is on the web at; http://www.byutv.org/show/6f62558b-fc6f-49c5-b8c6-2473785a5b44/the-generations-project

If you want to watch the episodes online, click ‘watch’ on the main page.

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